Youtube conversation with a gay Christian

I'm not sure why I even get into this but some of the stuff this guy said was outrageous so I had to blog on this. I placed a post on a video regarding Barack Obama's selection of Pastor Rick Warren speaking at his inauguration. Apparently alot of gays are upset about this. This is what ensued with a self proclaimed gay christian...
(I am Phenom65)


phenom65
I dont see the issue with the selection of Warren. I mean this is a US Presidential Inauguration, not some kind of rally for pro-gays. You cant just exclude any memeber of the country from national affairs.

KryptKraken
You know what phenom65,I definately didn't and don't expect a gay pride parade on inauguration day. I would've liked it. But, picking someone who has reduced me and my bf to child molesters in a time when hate crimes is up 23% from last year just does NOT seem appropriate, nevermind 'bridging the divide'.

phenom65
I dont and I'm sure Rick doesnt, look down on anyone. If someone called you a child molester without proof then that person was clearly misguided. Its a matter of not compromising one's beliefs.I have been indirectly called a bigot, fascists, and alot of other names that are inappropriate to list by gay activists simply beacuse I am a believer in Christ. Should those people be excluded? Of course not. That is an issue for non government organizations. Not a presidential inauguration.

KryptKraken
Maybe ppl are calling you bigot, ect.. because of ppl like Warren who are misrepresenting God and Christianity. I'm Christian and gay. Some ppl might roll off the chair they're sitting on when I tell them that, but guess what? I'm also an American, & we can believe as we please around here, and worship accordingly as long as no one gets hurt or has to suffer in order for me to do it. Sounds like a great idea to me. This is hardly 'bridging the gap in America', its making it bigger...

phenom65
Well as a Christian you can understand why people live by, and want their environment to reflect their beliefs. By my study and understanding of God's word, homosexuality is conflicting.Therefor as Paul said I have a responsiblity to judge and discern myself and vote for what I believe in. If I do not I am comprimising core beliefs and ignoring what I know to be true.

KryptKraken
Excuse me, but youre right, we do have very different interpretations of the bible & Christianity. Instead of going into them, let it suffice it to say that the whole idea of this country is recognizing those differences & not having a Theocracy but Equality. If comprimising Your beliefs is just allowing me to do something that doesn't hurt any1, but rubs u the wrong way, then I don't know which Jesus you're talking about. He would be the 1st to tell u to walk away & worry about your own sin.

phenom65
Absoutely he would, and I am always in favor of removing my own eye speck before I adivse another, but I'm sure he would have me vote in favor of his word when it involves my state, country and community that I and my family and children have to live in. This is the essence of getting ones own house in order. This effects me and mine directly. I cant tell any man what they should do or how they should organize thier environment but I cenrtainly can and will manage my own.

KryptKraken
Great, then maybe you can throw just ONE of those verses in which he spoke against gay ppl. U can't, but even if u did, I'd throw up the rest of the entire NT, where he speaks with indignation against the Pharisees & experts of the Law as they critisized him for breaking the law to do good out of Love and then had him KILLED, having no idea that he WAS/IS Love... The specifics lose the message. They did then and they still are now.

phenom65
You bet:
New Test. issue of homosexuality (and read prior and succeding verses for context)
Romans 1:26-27

Old Test Commandtment Leviticus 18:22

New Test. reason to adhere to Lev 18:22John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments"

New Test. view on Old Test by Jesusmatthew 5:15-17

If you would, show me an argument for it.

phenom65
Or at least why its not a sin.

KryptKraken
Ok, not only does Jesus marry man, Jesus Marries MANY MEN...Revelations 19:7,8 '"Let us be glad and rejoice and give him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready." And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.'(I didnt think I had to translate, but...)

Lamb=JesusWife= the Saints/Martyrs
Isn't that convenient to overlook when qouting the bible?

phenom65
Yes I've read that as well and that is obviously not the same context. Its symbolic while marriage is physical.Just like when the Father told the Son that he will make Satan his footstool. Of course it's not an actual footstool.You are right about one thing and that is that Love is God and we must not re define God to fit our own agenda and desires.

KryptKraken
So context only matters when it agrees with your political positions?Furthermore, were u privy to Johns vision at Patmos?If u dont want to redefine, then don't. It would've been more noble of u to admit the point I'm making then satisfying your own earthly need to be right.

I also specifically said Jesus' quotes. Not Pauls. Im not a Paulist. If anything, Pauls position is that we be celibate, marriage is for the weak in spirit, strong in Flesh.I also reject the OT Law, everything a Christian needs is in NT.Unless you want to make a case for Slavery also?

phenom65
Rejection of the Old Testament is rejection of God. The majority of the bible is the Old Test. Also as I have posted already Jesus said that not one law from the old test will pass. Slavery is another issue because slavery of the old test was a last resort in order to pay a debt and nothing like what we are used to. It was regulated and ostensibly fair.

phenom65
Truthfully I know we wont agree because you already told me you reject the Old Test.I'leave you with this: God loves you and me and we would do good to obey him.Peace

KryptKraken
Oh ok, and one other thing, you have it backwards. The fleshly marriage is symbolic of the only true marriage that matters.It just really rubs me the wrong way when a Christian would rather justify slavery than admit the OT outdated. It was outdated when Jesus Rose again...